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bhundven |
wtf... cell-card unlocking services are sketchy |
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bhundven|afk |
y_morin: maybe I'm wrong? but why do we need --enable-symvers=gnu? |
| # 18:26:09 |
bhundven|afk |
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bryanh |
is now known as: bhundven |
| # 18:26:15 |
bhundven |
lol |
| # 18:34:04 |
y_morin |
bhundven: just a few minutes here, then dinner... |
| # 18:34:10 |
y_morin |
bhundven: where's that ? |
| # 18:34:31 |
y_morin |
OK, got it. |
| # 18:36:29 |
y_morin |
bhundven: is that the same issue you are seeing? http://www.mail-archive.com/gcc-bugs@gcc.gnu.org/msg332020.html |
| # 18:36:40 |
y_morin |
Oh, yes, it is... |
| # 18:36:45 |
y_morin |
:-) |
| # 18:37:11 |
y_morin |
GTG. BBL... |
| # 18:44:01 |
bhundven |
yup |
| # 20:29:19 |
y_morin |
bhundven: back! And bak to this symver issue... Lemme see... |
| # 20:31:08 |
bhundven |
ok |
| # 20:31:23 |
y_morin |
Wher do you see this issue? In the java configure? |
| # 20:31:29 |
bhundven |
yes |
| # 20:31:41 |
bhundven |
so, I don't care if symvers is on or off, or gnu, or sun. |
| # 20:31:53 |
bhundven |
but my point to gcc is if it is correct or not. |
| # 20:31:57 |
y_morin |
Strange. Here (gcc-4.6.0), the java configure does not check for symvers. |
| # 20:32:08 |
y_morin |
Yes, I understand. |
| # 20:32:20 |
y_morin |
But I'm trying to pinpoint the issue as well. |
| # 20:34:25 |
bhundven |
if |
| # 20:34:29 |
bhundven |
symvers=gnu |
| # 20:34:48 |
bhundven |
libjava only checks for symvers=yes, symvars=no, or symvars= |
| # 20:34:58 |
bhundven |
or not set,: --disable-symvars |
| # 20:35:12 |
bhundven |
which is equivilent to no |
| # 20:35:24 |
y_morin |
But that's new in 4.6.1. |
| # 20:35:28 |
bhundven |
4.6.0 |
| # 20:35:32 |
y_morin |
4.6.0 did not have that check. |
| # 20:35:45 |
bhundven |
ok.... lemme double check |
| # 20:36:19 |
y_morin |
In 4.6.0, the test is only in libstdc++ and libgomp |
| # 20:37:08 |
bhundven |
ok. so yes |
| # 20:37:10 |
bhundven |
4.6.1 |
| # 20:37:15 |
y_morin |
In 4.6.1, it's also in libssp, libjava, libquadmath, libfortran. |
| # 20:37:20 |
bhundven |
but, |
| # 20:37:27 |
bhundven |
for libjava, it only checks for yes or no |
| # 20:37:34 |
y_morin |
And now the real question: why do we set it? |
| # 20:37:39 |
bhundven |
exactly |
| # 20:37:50 |
bhundven |
for you, the question is why |
| # 20:37:56 |
bhundven |
for gcc, the question is consistency |
| # 20:38:14 |
bhundven |
if 'sh' is the only platform that really needs it |
| # 20:38:22 |
y_morin |
I think it is a 'leftover' from the initial import from the original crosstool. Lemme check... |
| # 20:38:30 |
bhundven |
then, I should be able to build with --enable-symvers=gnu and build libjava |
| # 20:38:50 |
bhundven |
but, if that is no longer true... |
| # 20:39:50 |
bhundven |
I think I'm looking at this like a logic problem. You can set it but it doesn't work. You might need it, but not sure. We set it, but not just to yes, but to gnu. |
| # 20:40:09 |
y_morin |
bhundven: Yes, it's a leftover from the original code. |
| # 20:40:17 |
y_morin |
And it seems it was needed for sh4 |
| # 20:40:29 |
bhundven |
might not be anymore? |
| # 20:40:55 |
y_morin |
From the original code: |
| # 20:40:58 |
y_morin |
# --enable-symvers=gnu really only needed for sh4 to work around a detection problem |
| # 20:40:59 |
y_morin |
# only matters for gcc-3.2.x and later, I think |
| # 20:41:03 |
bhundven |
yup, I read that |
| # 20:41:09 |
bhundven |
I also noticed it on kegel's site |
| # 20:41:30 |
bhundven |
I also noticed it on the blackfin build |
| # 20:41:52 |
y_morin |
I'm no super-H expert by a large margin |
| # 20:42:16 |
bhundven |
me neither |
| # 20:42:38 |
y_morin |
OK, so what now? Make it a choice option: auto, yes, no, gnu, others... |
| # 20:43:01 |
bhundven |
well |
| # 20:43:09 |
bhundven |
from the bug, he asked why I am setting it manually |
| # 20:43:19 |
bhundven |
so, maybe it should not be an option |
| # 20:43:25 |
bhundven |
but I am waiting for a response |
| # 20:43:30 |
y_morin |
From me? |
| # 20:43:34 |
bhundven |
from gcc bug |
| # 20:43:39 |
y_morin |
OK. |
| # 20:45:03 |
y_morin |
And yes, the question is two-fold: consistency in gcc on one side, and reason for using it in crosstool-NG. |
| # 20:45:13 |
bhundven |
exactly |
| # 20:45:56 |
y_morin |
I think we have the answer to the second part: legacy code for a time where sh4 needed it, and it did not break other archs and other components. |
| # 20:46:42 |
bhundven |
then we wait for ro's response |
| # 20:46:55 |
y_morin |
Yep. |
| # 20:46:59 |
bhundven |
I'm writing a re-write to his questions. |
| # 20:47:06 |
y_morin |
goes get a coffee! ;-) |
| # 20:47:09 |
bhundven |
I don't think my answers were good enough |
| # 20:47:18 |
y_morin |
I'll follow the thread. Can you CC me, please? |
| # 20:47:22 |
bhundven |
sure |
| # 20:47:26 |
y_morin |
Thx. |
| # 20:48:43 |
y_morin |
bhundven: use my alternate email: yann.morin.1998@free.fr for this thread, please. |
| # 20:49:00 |
bhundven |
ok |
| # 20:49:29 |
y_morin |
Do you have a pointer to the blackfin build scripts? |
| # 20:49:48 |
bhundven |
I'll see if I can find it again |
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| # 20:51:06 |
bhundven |
oops |
| # 20:51:09 |
bhundven |
I read it wrong |
| # 20:51:14 |
bhundven |
they are disabling it |
| # 20:51:21 |
bhundven |
so we are the only ones |
| # 20:51:28 |
bhundven |
and maybe sh4 |
| # 20:51:37 |
bhundven |
I don't see it in buildroot |
| # 20:51:41 |
y_morin |
Let's look at buildroot |
| # 20:51:43 |
y_morin |
Ok. |
| # 20:53:17 |
y_morin |
Nope, indeed, they are silent about this. |
| # 20:53:48 |
y_morin |
bhundven: Then I'll remove it from the build, and see how the current sh4 sample behaves. |
| # 20:53:56 |
bhundven |
ok |
| # 20:55:32 |
y_morin |
likes it: ct-ng build.18 :-) |
| # 20:55:51 |
y_morin |
Unfortunately, that does not speed up the network... |
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| # 20:56:41 |
bhundven |
GCC Bugzilla was unable to make any match at all for one or more of the names and/or email addresses you entered on the previous page. |
| # 20:56:44 |
bhundven |
Please go back and try other names or email addresses. |
| # 20:56:47 |
bhundven |
CC: |
| # 20:56:49 |
bhundven |
yann.morin.1998@free.fr did not match anything |
| # 20:56:55 |
bhundven |
I hate bugzilla |
| # 20:57:16 |
bhundven |
is that the email address associated with your gcc bugzilla login? |
| # 20:57:22 |
y_morin |
So one has to be already registered to be CCed? Sigh... |
| # 20:57:28 |
bhundven |
yea |
| # 20:57:35 |
y_morin |
Lemme check... |
| # 20:58:36 |
y_morin |
No, I am not registered to that BZ. |
| # 20:58:46 |
y_morin |
I'll do, give me a few secs... |
| # 20:58:50 |
bhundven |
k |
| # 20:59:57 |
y_morin |
OK, registered. |
| # 21:03:01 |
bhundven |
sent my re-answer |
| # 21:03:05 |
bhundven |
with you cc'd |
| # 21:03:06 |
y_morin |
Yep. |
| # 21:03:08 |
y_morin |
Reading... |
| # 21:03:55 |
bhundven |
I'm sure I have other problems with that build, besides symvers |
| # 21:03:57 |
bhundven |
:-) |
| # 21:04:33 |
y_morin |
bhundven: and probably also in other places than libjava: the new compojnents that check symver do it the way libjava does, not the way the 'old' libs did. |
| # 21:04:44 |
bhundven |
hmm |
| # 21:04:51 |
y_morin |
So I guess even if libjava got fixed, then the same issue would arise on those other libs. |
| # 21:05:08 |
y_morin |
To be confirmed, of course, just reading the code here... |
| # 21:05:18 |
bhundven |
probably true. |
| # 21:07:51 |
y_morin |
Quoting Rainer: "anyone who undertakes to build GCC himself needn't be afraid from Perl" |
| # 21:07:54 |
y_morin |
Lol! :-) |
| # 21:08:18 |
bhundven |
I'm still more afraid of perl |
| # 21:08:36 |
y_morin |
Yeah. I guess he was being humourous! :-) |
| # 21:08:41 |
bhundven |
:) |
| # 21:08:45 |
bhundven |
I get it |
| # 21:09:12 |
bhundven |
i lol'd |
| # 21:09:40 |
bhundven |
needs speach-to-text... |
| # 21:09:55 |
y_morin |
OK, sh4 sample confirmed working with no change. Removing enable-symver and re-testing... |
| # 21:10:58 |
bhundven |
and none of the samples we have, have java (gcj) enabled |
| # 21:11:37 |
y_morin |
Yes: i686-nptl-linux-gnu/crosstool.config:CT_CC_LANG_JAVA=y |
| # 21:11:44 |
bhundven |
oh |
| # 21:11:48 |
bhundven |
:) heh |
| # 21:12:00 |
y_morin |
11 of them actually do. |
| # 21:12:05 |
bhundven |
oh |
| # 21:12:29 |
y_morin |
grep -r LANG_JAVA=y samples.mk |
| # 21:12:35 |
bhundven |
so if they all were updated to 4.6.1, they would all break... right now. |
| # 21:12:41 |
y_morin |
Yes. |
| # 21:13:20 |
y_morin |
And still this annoying non-error on the sh4 build: |
| # 21:13:23 |
y_morin |
[ERROR] st-dummy.c:1:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| # 21:13:24 |
y_morin |
[ERROR] st-dummy.c:4:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| # 21:13:26 |
y_morin |
[ERROR] st-dummy.c:5:18: error: time.h: No such file or directory |
| # 21:13:28 |
y_morin |
[ERROR] st-dummy.c:6:20: error: signal.h: No such file or directory |
| # 21:13:34 |
y_morin |
And the build continues... |
| # 21:13:38 |
y_morin |
As usual... |
| # 21:14:05 |
bhundven |
interesting |
| # 21:14:23 |
bhundven |
does that only happen on static core? |
| # 21:14:33 |
y_morin |
This non-error has been here for ages. And yes, only static core. |
| # 21:14:57 |
y_morin |
With or without // build. |
| # 21:15:15 |
y_morin |
On x86 and x86_64. And only for sh4. |
| # 21:16:36 |
y_morin |
Oh, I'm using gcc-4.3.2, as the sample is configured for. I'm not upgrading now, I'm trying not to pile up issues! ;-) |
| # 21:16:52 |
bhundven |
hmm |
| # 21:17:25 |
bhundven |
probably still a valid test |
| # 21:17:29 |
y_morin |
glibc build OK so far. Starting build of gcc... |
| # 21:17:51 |
y_morin |
Yes, probably stil a valid test, as it will prove non-gression. |
| # 21:18:00 |
bhundven |
yup |
| # 21:19:06 |
bhundven |
... finding what fixed it would be trivial ... lots of bisecting. |
| # 21:19:20 |
bhundven |
probably not worth it |
| # 21:19:24 |
y_morin |
OK. Build was entirely successful. |
| # 21:19:37 |
y_morin |
I suggest that we trash that option now. |
| # 21:19:43 |
bhundven |
agreed |
| # 21:19:49 |
bhundven |
my gcc question still persists. |
| # 21:19:56 |
y_morin |
It leaves the gcc inconsistency, but that's another issue. |
| # 21:20:01 |
y_morin |
Right. |
| # 21:20:02 |
bhundven |
yup |
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kos_tom |
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| # 21:20:34 |
y_morin |
One day, I'll be typing faster than you are, and our messages won't be inverted anymore! ;-) |
| # 21:20:49 |
bhundven |
haha, and I'm eating a sandwich at the same time |
| # 21:20:57 |
bhundven |
8-) |
| # 21:21:01 |
y_morin |
cries... |
| # 21:24:26 |
bhundven |
sudo apt-get install typespeed |
| # 21:25:12 |
y_morin |
Lol. My brother (coding next to me) wondered what happened! :-) |
| # 21:26:02 |
y_morin |
Well, well, well. typespeed *is* an actual package! |
| # 21:27:05 |
bhundven |
damn, and I still suck at typespeed |
| # 21:27:46 |
bhundven |
Rank: Average |
| # 21:27:46 |
bhundven |
Score: 326 |
| # 21:27:46 |
bhundven |
WPM: 43 |
| # 21:27:46 |
bhundven |
CPS: 3.594 |
| # 21:27:46 |
bhundven |
Typo ratio: 10.0% |
| # 21:27:49 |
bhundven |
Typorank: Monkey |
| # 21:27:51 |
bhundven |
:( |
| # 21:28:15 |
bhundven |
that was with unix commands |
| # 21:29:03 |
y_morin |
typespeed is cheating! It uses the american spelling! But I asked for 'english' words! |
| # 21:29:33 |
y_morin |
generalise <- correct spelling in english. Only americaners use a 'z'! :-p |
| # 21:29:45 |
bhundven |
haha |
| # 21:29:54 |
y_morin |
won't probably code much tonight! :-) |
| # 21:30:17 |
bhundven |
you should have used the french words |
| # 21:30:56 |
bhundven |
find a baseline for your typing, then try something harder to help you figure out what you need to do better. |
| # 21:31:21 |
bhundven |
also takes his own advise ;) |
| # 21:32:08 |
y_morin |
ipchains? Really, anyone stil using ipchains? |
| # 21:33:23 |
y_morin |
You achieved: |
| # 21:33:24 |
y_morin |
|
| # 21:33:26 |
y_morin |
Rank: Average |
| # 21:33:27 |
y_morin |
Score: 307 |
| # 21:33:29 |
y_morin |
WPM: 28 |
| # 21:33:30 |
y_morin |
CPS: 2.376 |
| # 21:33:32 |
y_morin |
Typo ratio: 7.1% |
| # 21:33:33 |
y_morin |
Typorank: Handicap |
| # 21:33:35 |
y_morin |
Hmm... :-( |
| # 21:34:05 |
y_morin |
WTF with the formating... |
| # 21:34:46 |
y_morin |
The issue is not really with typing speed, but with thought speed. And I do need training! :-) |
| # 21:34:58 |
bhundven |
me too |
| # 21:35:01 |
y_morin |
I almost know what to say, not how to say it... |
| # 21:36:42 |
y_morin |
And typing french words on a qwerty kbd... :-/ |
| # 21:36:56 |
bhundven |
oh, yea, you have to use a modifier key, huh? |
| # 21:37:17 |
y_morin |
Yep, except that under that new fancy KDE, meta no longer works... :-( |
| # 21:37:40 |
bhundven |
or isn't there a special fr keyboard where you don't need the modifier key? |
| # 21:37:49 |
bhundven |
s/modifier/meta/ |
| # 21:37:49 |
infobot |
bhundven meant: or isn't there a special fr keyboard where you don't need the meta key? |
| # 21:37:56 |
bhundven |
whoa |
| # 21:38:06 |
bhundven |
1 bot at a time, please... |
| # 21:38:08 |
y_morin |
There are french keyboards, but I prefer qwerty. |
| # 21:38:33 |
y_morin |
bhundven: yes, indeed. I forgot to ask infobot to leave. |
| # 21:38:56 |
y_morin |
(I don't manage it, it was there in the interim until ctngbot was operational). Sorry... |
| # 21:39:04 |
bhundven |
np |
| # 21:39:33 |
bhundven |
I also didn't know that they understood regex |
| # 21:39:34 |
y_morin |
you get mail. |
| # 21:40:10 |
bhundven |
looks good to me! |
| # 21:40:36 |
bhundven |
(as we say at my work:) ship it! |
| # 21:40:51 |
bhundven |
lol |
| # 21:41:03 |
y_morin |
Thanks! Pushing... |
| # 21:41:33 |
y_morin |
You may want to add acked/reviewed? |
| # 21:42:48 |
bhundven |
emailed reviewed-by: |
| # 21:46:34 |
y_morin |
Pushed! :-) |
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y_morin |
quits : Quit: Night all! :-) |
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Buglouse |
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