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# 00:19:48 Tenacious-Techhu When I try ./configure, I get...

# 00:20:00 Tenacious-Techhu Checking for 'grep'... /usr/bin/grep Checking whether '/usr/bin/grep' supports -E... yes Checking for 'sed'... /usr/bin/sed Checking whether '/usr/bin/sed' supports -i and -e... no Either you are missing entirely the needed tool, or the version you have is too old. You can give the path to this tool using: --with-sed=PATH configure: Bailing out...

# 00:22:41 Tenacious-Techhu Can someone please explain what I need to do here?

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# 05:55:24 Tenacious-Techhu Buglouse, groton, either of you know about issues with the Mac version?

# 06:03:54 Buglouse Specialize in vagueness Tenacious-Techhu ?

# 06:04:08 Tenacious-Techhu Nope.

# 06:04:18 Tenacious-Techhu Iâm just new to crosstool-ng.

# 06:04:46 Tenacious-Techhu Is there a specific version I should be using on Mac?

# 06:05:06 Tenacious-Techhu Any reason to prefer 1.12.0 or 1.12.1, or some other version?

# 06:11:06 Tenacious-Techhu Buglouse, Any reason to prefer one version or another?

# 06:31:18 Tenacious-Techhu Buglouse, you there?

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# 06:49:26 Buglouse stop

# 06:49:34 Tenacious-Techhu Stop what?

# 06:50:37 Tenacious-Techhu Buglouse, stop what?

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# 19:30:49 Tenacious-Techhu Anyone alive in here?

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# 19:41:27 Tenacious-Techhu y_morin, you know anything about crosstool-ng on Mac OS X?

# 19:42:04 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: Read the docs, especially the "table of cotents"...

# 19:42:18 y_morin "...of contents"

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# 19:42:26 Tenacious-Techhu Can you be more specific, please?

# 19:42:42 Tenacious-Techhu y_morin, can you be more specific, please?

# 19:43:06 Tenacious-Techhu y_morin|away, can you be more specific, please?

# 20:28:30 snappy i like how you're ramping up the specificity of your question.

# 20:28:46 snappy anybody? that guy? that guy over there?

# 20:29:18 Tenacious-Techhu I donât know nearly enough about how crosstool is supposed to work to ask a specific one.

# 20:29:34 Tenacious-Techhu Should I be using a specific version on OS X?

# 20:30:45 Tenacious-Techhu snappy, should I be using a specific version on OS X?

# 20:31:06 snappy Tenacious-Techhu: have you tried it at all?

# 20:31:21 Tenacious-Techhu Yes, but it doesnât seem to work. I get some error.

# 20:31:55 snappy have you tried to interpret the error?

# 20:32:39 Tenacious-Techhu Gimme a minute, Iâll do it again.

# 20:32:56 Tenacious-Techhu But back to my question, please. As far as you know, am I supposed to be using some specific version only?

# 20:36:43 Tenacious-Techhu nono-chan:crosstool-ng-1.12.1 L33T4L0T$ ./configure --prefix=/developer/embedded/crosstool-ng-1.12.1/test Checking for 'grep'... /usr/bin/grep Checking whether '/usr/bin/grep' supports -E... yes Checking for 'sed'... /usr/bin/sed Checking whether '/usr/bin/sed' supports -i and -e... no Either you are missing entirely the needed tool, or the version you have is too old. You can give the path to this tool using: --with-

# 20:41:33 Tenacious-Techhu snappy, do you have an explanation for this error, or are you just blowing hot air?

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# 20:42:33 Tenacious-Techhu y_morin, which contents do you mean?

# 20:43:51 snappy so where is it failing; on sed?

# 20:44:10 Tenacious-Techhu I donât know, all I know is it doesnât work. :P

# 20:44:24 snappy ok, i can't help you then.

# 20:44:32 Tenacious-Techhu Well, who can?

# 20:44:33 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: I'll state it once more: look at the docs. There is a "table of content". Then, look to see if something looks like "how to use crosstool-NG on MacOS".

# 20:44:41 Tenacious-Techhu WHICH docs?

# 20:45:05 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: you get the source tree? Can find the docs in there?

# 20:45:47 Tenacious-Techhu y_morin, Iâve got no idea where the source tree is, or how I would get it.

# 20:46:26 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: well, you are running ./confugre, right? So you already the the sources.

# 20:46:37 y_morin ...already get...

# 20:46:44 Tenacious-Techhu I downloaded that from the web page.

# 20:47:13 Tenacious-Techhu Is there anywhere I can get a compiled binary that already runs?

# 20:47:27 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: no.

# 20:48:15 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: so, in what you got from the web page, you should find a directory docs.

# 20:50:13 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: honestly, if you can't find the docs in the crosstool-NG sources, I don't think that building a toolchain is something you should attempt right now.

# 20:50:38 sh4rm4 hehe

# 20:51:10 Tenacious-Techhu Iâve got no idea what the project consists of. If you simply told me where I was supposed to look for them, I would have found them. :P

# 20:51:22 Tenacious-Techhu For all I knew, you meant the same damn web page as before.

# 20:52:37 sh4rm4 most of the time, whenever you extract some source package, you will find some documentation inside the extracted dir

# 20:52:37 Tenacious-Techhu Iâm running configure because the web page says to do it. Not because I know it makes sense to. :P

# 20:52:45 sh4rm4 even if it's just a README

# 20:53:33 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: if a ./configure means nothing to you, then stop right there. Building a toolchain is a very, very complex task.

# 20:54:36 snappy and I shall interject and leave this here: http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html

# 20:54:40 y_morin sh4rm4: yep, exactly.

# 20:55:12 Tenacious-Techhu It doesnât matter if it is a complex task if you have to get it done. :P

# 20:55:49 Tenacious-Techhu It doesnât matter if you mean a specific kind of documentation if all you say is âthe documentationâ. That could mean anything from a web page to a physical book. :P

# 20:56:32 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: what I am saying is, before building a toolchain, there are pre-requisites. Some are explicit (the ./configure) some are implicit (eg. knowing what a ./configure is, and how to find and read the doc).

# 20:57:14 Tenacious-Techhu Again about the documentation! Documentation means NOTHING if you donât say what KIND of documentation, and where it is!

# 20:57:47 Tenacious-Techhu Iâm sure there are prerequisites. That isnât the point. The point is, I have this error, and it is confusing.

# 20:57:53 Tenacious-Techhu Do you guys know about Mac OS X, or not?

# 20:58:16 snappy If i understand correctly, he means this: http://crosstool-ng.org/#macos_x

# 20:58:19 sh4rm4 what are you trying to do ?

# 20:58:33 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: I mean, if you can't find the docs (it's in the darn sources you just extracted, at the top level!), then you have some problems.

# 20:58:51 y_morin Tenacious-Techhu: it's standard behavior to have the docs (or at least part of them) in the source tree.

# 20:59:03 Tenacious-Techhu I was told IN THIS CHANNEL that the information on that page was out of date, and that getting crosstool-ng WOULD work.

# 20:59:42 y_morin snappy: nope, I meant the docs, in the sources.

# 20:59:56 snappy yeah, after copping that, i figured :)

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# 21:00:40 Tenacious-Techhu Itâs not about FINDING the docs. Itâs about knowing what the hell you MEAN by them.

# 21:01:13 Tenacious-Techhu If you said âthe documentation that came bundled with the downloaded filesâ, Iâd know what you meant. :P

# 21:02:14 Tenacious-Techhu Can we PLEASE get off the damn subject of the documentation already?

# 21:03:05 snappy in any case, i just pulled the sources, checked the docs, and it states how to install it in OSX under the "Misc Tutorials"; as for the accuracy of the documentation, I guess you'd need to find out.

# 21:03:09 Tenacious-Techhu Answer one simple question, please; do you guys know about running crosstool-ng on OS X, OR NOT?

# 21:03:42 sh4rm4 someone must have written the docs

# 21:03:55 sh4rm4 but now go and RTFM

# 21:03:59 Tenacious-Techhu Again, not answering the basic question.

# 21:04:08 Tenacious-Techhu DO you, or DONâT you?

# 21:04:20 sh4rm4 you didn't answer my question either

# 21:04:30 Tenacious-Techhu And what was that?

# 21:04:36 sh4rm4 ask a specific question and you may get help

# 21:04:40 sh4rm4 what are you trying to do ?

# 21:04:48 Tenacious-Techhu Iâm trying to get the damn thing to work.

# 21:05:01 sh4rm4 what kind of toolchain do you wanna build ?

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# 21:05:24 Tenacious-Techhu I canât very well build a toolchain if the thing doesnât respond in any capacity. :P

# 21:08:46 snappy I've never installed ct-ng in osx, but I have a mac. The tutorial for installing on OSX in the docs looks promising; you should really read it.

# 21:11:59 Tenacious-Techhu Well, now that I know where the tutorial IS, Iâm sure I will.

# 21:12:31 Tenacious-Techhu Iâll check back with you after I try it.

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`# 00:19:48`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`When I try ./configure, I get...`
`# 00:20:00`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Checking for 'grep'... /usr/bin/grep Checking whether '/usr/bin/grep' supports -E... yes Checking for 'sed'... /usr/bin/sed Checking whether '/usr/bin/sed' supports -i and -e... no Either you are missing entirely the needed tool, or the version you have is too old. You can give the path to this tool using: --with-sed=PATH configure: Bailing out...`
`# 00:22:41`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Can someone please explain what I need to do here?`
`# 04:34:19`	`Buglouse`	`quits : Read error: Connection reset by peer`
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`# 05:55:24`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Buglouse, groton, either of you know about issues with the Mac version?`
`# 06:03:54`	`Buglouse`	`Specialize in vagueness Tenacious-Techhu ?`
`# 06:04:08`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Nope.`
`# 06:04:18`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Iâm just new to crosstool-ng.`
`# 06:04:46`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Is there a specific version I should be using on Mac?`
`# 06:05:06`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Any reason to prefer 1.12.0 or 1.12.1, or some other version?`
`# 06:11:06`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Buglouse, Any reason to prefer one version or another?`
`# 06:31:18`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Buglouse, you there?`
`# 06:48:15`	`groton`	`quits : Ping timeout: 260 seconds`
`# 06:49:26`	`Buglouse`	`stop`
`# 06:49:34`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Stop what?`
`# 06:50:37`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Buglouse, stop what?`
`# 06:51:02`	`Buglouse`	`parts #crosstool-ng`
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`# 19:30:49`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Anyone alive in here?`
`# 19:40:50`	`y_morin\|away`	`is now known as: y_morin`
`# 19:41:27`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`y_morin, you know anything about crosstool-ng on Mac OS X?`
`# 19:42:04`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: Read the docs, especially the "table of cotents"...`
`# 19:42:18`	`y_morin`	`"...of contents"`
`# 19:42:25`	`y_morin`	`is now known as: y_morin\|away`
`# 19:42:26`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Can you be more specific, please?`
`# 19:42:42`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`y_morin, can you be more specific, please?`
`# 19:43:06`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`y_morin\|away, can you be more specific, please?`
`# 20:28:30`	`snappy`	`i like how you're ramping up the specificity of your question.`
`# 20:28:46`	`snappy`	`anybody? that guy? that guy over there?`
`# 20:29:18`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`I donât know nearly enough about how crosstool is supposed to work to ask a specific one.`
`# 20:29:34`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Should I be using a specific version on OS X?`
`# 20:30:45`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`snappy, should I be using a specific version on OS X?`
`# 20:31:06`	`snappy`	`Tenacious-Techhu: have you tried it at all?`
`# 20:31:21`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Yes, but it doesnât seem to work. I get some error.`
`# 20:31:55`	`snappy`	`have you tried to interpret the error?`
`# 20:32:39`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Gimme a minute, Iâll do it again.`
`# 20:32:56`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`But back to my question, please. As far as you know, am I supposed to be using some specific version only?`
`# 20:36:43`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`nono-chan:crosstool-ng-1.12.1 L33T4L0T$ ./configure --prefix=/developer/embedded/crosstool-ng-1.12.1/test Checking for 'grep'... /usr/bin/grep Checking whether '/usr/bin/grep' supports -E... yes Checking for 'sed'... /usr/bin/sed Checking whether '/usr/bin/sed' supports -i and -e... no Either you are missing entirely the needed tool, or the version you have is too old. You can give the path to this tool using: --with-`
`# 20:41:33`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`snappy, do you have an explanation for this error, or are you just blowing hot air?`
`# 20:42:10`	`y_morin\|away`	`is now known as: y_morin`
`# 20:42:33`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`y_morin, which contents do you mean?`
`# 20:43:51`	`snappy`	`so where is it failing; on sed?`
`# 20:44:10`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`I donât know, all I know is it doesnât work. :P`
`# 20:44:24`	`snappy`	`ok, i can't help you then.`
`# 20:44:32`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Well, who can?`
`# 20:44:33`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: I'll state it once more: look at the docs. There is a "table of content". Then, look to see if something looks like "how to use crosstool-NG on MacOS".`
`# 20:44:41`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`WHICH docs?`
`# 20:45:05`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: you get the source tree? Can find the docs in there?`
`# 20:45:47`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`y_morin, Iâve got no idea where the source tree is, or how I would get it.`
`# 20:46:26`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: well, you are running ./confugre, right? So you already the the sources.`
`# 20:46:37`	`y_morin`	`...already get...`
`# 20:46:44`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`I downloaded that from the web page.`
`# 20:47:13`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Is there anywhere I can get a compiled binary that already runs?`
`# 20:47:27`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: no.`
`# 20:48:15`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: so, in what you got from the web page, you should find a directory docs.`
`# 20:50:13`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: honestly, if you can't find the docs in the crosstool-NG sources, I don't think that building a toolchain is something you should attempt right now.`
`# 20:50:38`	`sh4rm4`	`hehe`
`# 20:51:10`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Iâve got no idea what the project consists of. If you simply told me where I was supposed to look for them, I would have found them. :P`
`# 20:51:22`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`For all I knew, you meant the same damn web page as before.`
`# 20:52:37`	`sh4rm4`	`most of the time, whenever you extract some source package, you will find some documentation inside the extracted dir`
`# 20:52:37`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Iâm running configure because the web page says to do it. Not because I know it makes sense to. :P`
`# 20:52:45`	`sh4rm4`	`even if it's just a README`
`# 20:53:33`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: if a ./configure means nothing to you, then stop right there. Building a toolchain is a very, very complex task.`
`# 20:54:36`	`snappy`	`and I shall interject and leave this here: http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html`
`# 20:54:40`	`y_morin`	`sh4rm4: yep, exactly.`
`# 20:55:12`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`It doesnât matter if it is a complex task if you have to get it done. :P`
`# 20:55:49`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`It doesnât matter if you mean a specific kind of documentation if all you say is âthe documentationâ. That could mean anything from a web page to a physical book. :P`
`# 20:56:32`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: what I am saying is, before building a toolchain, there are pre-requisites. Some are explicit (the ./configure) some are implicit (eg. knowing what a ./configure is, and how to find and read the doc).`
`# 20:57:14`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Again about the documentation! Documentation means NOTHING if you donât say what KIND of documentation, and where it is!`
`# 20:57:47`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Iâm sure there are prerequisites. That isnât the point. The point is, I have this error, and it is confusing.`
`# 20:57:53`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Do you guys know about Mac OS X, or not?`
`# 20:58:16`	`snappy`	`If i understand correctly, he means this: http://crosstool-ng.org/#macos_x`
`# 20:58:19`	`sh4rm4`	`what are you trying to do ?`
`# 20:58:33`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: I mean, if you can't find the docs (it's in the darn sources you just extracted, at the top level!), then you have some problems.`
`# 20:58:51`	`y_morin`	`Tenacious-Techhu: it's standard behavior to have the docs (or at least part of them) in the source tree.`
`# 20:59:03`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`I was told IN THIS CHANNEL that the information on that page was out of date, and that getting crosstool-ng WOULD work.`
`# 20:59:42`	`y_morin`	`snappy: nope, I meant the docs, in the sources.`
`# 20:59:56`	`snappy`	`yeah, after copping that, i figured :)`
`# 21:00:02`	`sh4rm4`	`sets mode +b ad30fa92@!gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.48.250.146`
`# 21:00:40`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Itâs not about FINDING the docs. Itâs about knowing what the hell you MEAN by them.`
`# 21:01:13`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`If you said âthe documentation that came bundled with the downloaded filesâ, Iâd know what you meant. :P`
`# 21:02:14`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Can we PLEASE get off the damn subject of the documentation already?`
`# 21:03:05`	`snappy`	`in any case, i just pulled the sources, checked the docs, and it states how to install it in OSX under the "Misc Tutorials"; as for the accuracy of the documentation, I guess you'd need to find out.`
`# 21:03:09`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Answer one simple question, please; do you guys know about running crosstool-ng on OS X, OR NOT?`
`# 21:03:42`	`sh4rm4`	`someone must have written the docs`
`# 21:03:55`	`sh4rm4`	`but now go and RTFM`
`# 21:03:59`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Again, not answering the basic question.`
`# 21:04:08`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`DO you, or DONâT you?`
`# 21:04:20`	`sh4rm4`	`you didn't answer my question either`
`# 21:04:30`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`And what was that?`
`# 21:04:36`	`sh4rm4`	`ask a specific question and you may get help`
`# 21:04:40`	`sh4rm4`	`what are you trying to do ?`
`# 21:04:48`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Iâm trying to get the damn thing to work.`
`# 21:05:01`	`sh4rm4`	`what kind of toolchain do you wanna build ?`
`# 21:05:13`	`y_morin`	`quits : Quit: Taking a break...`
`# 21:05:24`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`I canât very well build a toolchain if the thing doesnât respond in any capacity. :P`
`# 21:08:46`	`snappy`	`I've never installed ct-ng in osx, but I have a mac. The tutorial for installing on OSX in the docs looks promising; you should really read it.`
`# 21:11:59`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Well, now that I know where the tutorial IS, Iâm sure I will.`
`# 21:12:31`	`Tenacious-Techhu`	`Iâll check back with you after I try it.`
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