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# 09:11:51 y_morin EsbenH: what was it you were speaking about (SCM)?
# 09:11:54 EsbenH for the record: I had my own home-baked bread for breakfast.
# 09:12:39 EsbenH EsbenH: I just smiled about you being tempted by the dark side (finding "git rebase -i" cool) ;-)
# 09:12:51 y_morin EsbenH: will bring some of that "home-baked bread" to Barcelonna, so we can get high as you? ;-)
# 09:13:15 EsbenH hehe, I don't think I dare bring that through customs :-)
# 09:13:32 y_morin EsbenH: Hehe. Yes, git is very powerfull. But it still is complex to use. However, as time passes, some of it becomes easier to use.
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# 09:13:53 EsbenH git has definitely become easier to use since I first encountered it.
# 09:14:04 EsbenH it has also become much more powerful.
# 09:15:27 y_morin Indeed. But to me, Hg is still easier to use, especially for /small/ projects. OTOH, git is the ultimate thermo-nuclear weapon, and I think it is much suited for big projects than Hg is.
# 09:16:35 EsbenH "ultimate thermo-nuclear weapon", me likes :-)
# 09:16:39 EsbenH boom boom
# 09:17:16 bhundven Would you like to play a game?
# 09:17:19 EsbenH The danish television is having a Star Wars festival currently ,-)
# 09:17:21 bhundven :p
# 09:17:34 bhundven has a copy of WarGames
# 09:17:36 EsbenH 1 movie each sunday
# 09:18:08 EsbenH it is late, so I watch it alone, and then during the week and can see it again with the kids :-)
# 09:19:33 y_morin Lol! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFU774q6eVM
# 09:21:37 bhundven haha
# 09:21:39 EsbenH *g*
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# 09:51:37 abique|work Hi
# 09:52:56 y_morin abique|work: Hello!
# 09:54:17 y_morin abique|work: it's lunch time for me, but ask your question. Maybe others will answer, and I'll be back in ~1h.
# 09:54:25 abique|work I don't understand, I have this config file for eglibc
# 09:54:27 abique|work http://paste.org/55689
# 09:54:36 abique|work and I don't get sunrpc installed
# 09:54:47 abique|work y_morin, enjoy your meal :)
# 09:54:55 y_morin abique|work: what version of eglibc?
# 09:55:01 abique|work the last one
# 09:55:04 y_morin still a few minutes!)
# 09:55:13 abique|work 2.16
# 09:55:14 y_morin abique|work: eglibc-2.16 ?
# 09:55:17 y_morin OK.
# 09:55:32 y_morin abique|work: what version of crosstool-NG ?
# 09:55:32 abique|work is it related to the order of the config values ?
# 09:55:45 abique|work 1.16.0-1
# 09:56:00 abique|work I'm using archlinux
# 09:56:48 abique|work I have the build log if you like
# 09:56:51 y_morin abique|work: OK. I'm not using the eglibc config feature, so I never saw this issue. I'll have a look after lunch. See ya!
# 09:57:02 abique|work see ya :)
# 10:00:22 bhundven ah
# 10:00:23 bhundven yea
# 10:01:10 bhundven something about sunrpc changed
# 10:01:12 bhundven let me look
# 10:02:36 bhundven my current build environment is all messed up
# 10:02:46 bhundven do you have a build log you can post somewhere?
# 10:04:00 bhundven from what I understand
# 10:04:16 bhundven there was a plan in 2.15 to remove building/installing sunrpc in glibc
# 10:04:44 bhundven the fix was to build ti-rpc in your userspace to fix the dependency issue for other packages
# 10:05:13 bhundven this would not be the responsibility of ct-ng, but buildroot or yocto or whatever you use for your bsp
# 10:06:28 bhundven but also, please post the build.log
# 10:06:39 bhundven I could be wrong about how they did it
# 10:07:29 bhundven http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=021db4be6f1f4189f66feee066a495d49e92b93e
# 10:07:39 bhundven http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=sunrpc
# 10:07:48 bhundven everything in glibc goes into eglibc
# 10:10:27 bhundven so for now, it's up to you to experiment with seeing if ti-rpc fits your needs, or adding --enable-obsolete-rpc to your eglibc configure options
# 10:12:22 abique|work bhundven, yeah I can send you my build log
# 10:12:46 bhundven abique|work: I don't think I need it
# 10:12:54 bhundven I'm now positive what I said last is true
# 10:13:04 bhundven --enable-obsolete-rpc is not on by default
# 10:13:19 bhundven so you would notice that sunrpc is not installed
# 10:13:53 abique|work bhundven, thanks!
# 10:14:12 bhundven no problem
# 10:14:35 bhundven I just have been away from this stuff for a little bit.. guess I was too chatty in my discovery process :p
# 10:20:42 abique|work bhundven, by the way, does it means that rpc in glibc are not updated anymore?
# 10:25:06 abique|work Ok i read the commit message
# 10:31:53 abique|work maybe ct-ng could output a warning if the eglibc's config has sunrpc and the option --enable-obsolete-rpc is not passed?
# 10:31:57 abique|work Going to lunch.
# 10:48:03 bhundven more things to potentially break in the future when it is completely replaced by ti-rpc
# 10:48:14 bhundven which is their goal
# 10:48:40 bhundven I would suggest experimenting to see if ti-rpc works for your needs, and falling back to --enable-obsolete-rpc if it does not.
# 10:49:02 bhundven then also looking at the ti-rpc mailing list to see if anyone else had the same exact problem you had
# 10:49:10 bhundven and if not report your issue to ti-rpc
# 10:49:57 bhundven http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=903784&group_id=183075
# 10:50:10 bhundven http://freecode.com/projects/tirpc
# 10:52:25 bhundven y_morin: we should document that ti-rpc is to replace sunrpc in (e)glibc, and those links to the ti-rpc project
# 10:53:07 bhundven but there are compatibility issues, and if you have problems with ti-rpc, fall back to adding --enable-obsolete-rpc to (e)glibc's configure options
# 10:54:39 bhundven I'm pretty sure this started with 2.15
# 10:54:58 bhundven which is why I've only tested with 2.14
# 10:57:39 bhundven prepares to stratus freefall into a cup of coffee
# 11:06:42 y_morin bhundven: IIRC, the latest (e)glibc have re-instated sunrpc, at least until TI-RPC is at par with sunrpc.
# 11:07:17 y_morin bhundven: Ah, yes, with --enable-obsolete-rpc
# 11:07:37 y_morin bhundven: Yes, we could add that to the ./configure options for latest (e)glibc.
# 11:08:28 y_morin bhundven: Also, I seem to recall that the new glibc maintainer crew wanted to merge back eglibc into glibc. So maybe sometime in the (hopefully near) future, we can get rid of eglibc altogether.
# 11:11:14 abique|work yep
# 11:16:49 bhundven that would be cool
# 11:45:19 EsbenH except that we would have to care about it for supporting older (e)glibc versions for quite a long time....
# 11:46:16 bhundven exactly my point from before about dealing with future breakage
# 11:46:31 bhundven but
# 11:46:41 bhundven I think it should be fairly trivial to work around
# 11:47:16 y_morin EsbenH: yes, I meant: stop updating the eglibc versions, and concentrate on only glibc.
# 11:55:48 bhundven when the merge happens
# 11:55:50 bhundven ;)
# 11:56:27 bhundven I mean, we probably don't need to update eglibc, unless someone reports an issue
# 11:57:06 bhundven just put the rpc config option in the glibc-eglibc shared script
# 11:57:46 bhundven then obsolete eglibc when the merge happens
# 11:58:04 bhundven unless the eglibc guys decide to go in a new direction after the merge
# 11:58:13 bhundven idk what the intents of merging back to glibc are
# 11:58:33 bhundven to sync up for new eglibc developments or to remove eglibc altogether?
# 12:01:54 y_morin bhundven: florian has just posted a patch for --enable-obsolete-rpc for eglibc! :-)
# 12:02:02 bhundven nice
# 12:02:37 bhundven intelligent minds think alike
# 12:03:01 bhundven but
# 12:03:07 bhundven it seems to be for eglibc only
# 12:03:16 bhundven wouldn't it also affect glibc 2.16 as well?
# 12:05:41 y_morin bhundven: we do not yet have glibc-2.16 in ct-ng.
# 12:05:48 bhundven ah
# 12:06:01 y_morin I'm not using it, and one pushed a patch.
# 12:06:53 bhundven oh well, I'll put it out there anyways
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# 13:13:20 y_morin bhundven: IIRC, sunrpc headers were removed from glibc-2.14, and re-instated in 2.16 under the --enable-obsolete-rpc. Which makes it 2.14 and 2.15 that miss sunrpc.
# 13:16:58 bhundven hrm
# 13:17:07 bhundven I don't see in git where they were removed
# 13:17:15 bhundven I think the coffee is not working
# 13:18:09 y_morin bhundven: http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=7b57bfe5988e476ea40934457dfd1c8a231e2391
# 13:18:19 y_morin Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:59:36 +0000 (21:59 -0400)
# 13:21:11 bhundven oh
# 13:21:19 bhundven yea, 2.14 was cut may 31st
# 13:21:32 bhundven and I did find that change in the 2.14 branch
# 13:21:33 bhundven ok
# 13:21:42 bhundven switches to redbull
# 13:22:20 y_morin bhundven: --enable-obsolete-rpc added back: http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=021db4be6f1f4189f66feee066a495d49e92b93e
# 13:22:25 y_morin Thu, 10 May 2012 18:16:53 +0000 (20:16 +0200)
# 13:22:48 y_morin bhundven: Say, isn't it time for sleep in your area (I mean for normal people)?
# 13:23:06 y_morin bhundven: maybe coffee and redbull are not the solution? ;-)
# 13:23:11 bhundven normal?
# 13:23:13 bhundven wtf is that
# 13:23:18 y_morin :-)
# 13:23:20 bhundven I've been up since 3am
# 13:23:29 bhundven :D
# 13:23:38 y_morin Ouch...
# 13:23:59 bhundven yea, too much going on. having dreams of deploying servers
# 13:24:06 bhundven wakes me up at midnight
# 13:24:22 bhundven I try to go back and wake up at 3 and go back to deployment scripts
# 13:24:36 y_morin bhundven: take a run around the block, then go back to bed. it does wonders! ;-)
# 13:24:48 y_morin goes to a meeting...
# 13:24:58 bhundven enjoy
# 13:26:35 y_morin bhundven: Hmm... Not really. :-)
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# 13:26:46 bhundven
# 13:26:56 bhundven lol
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