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diorcety |
y_morin: hi |
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y_morin |
diorcety: hello! |
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braunr |
y_morin: have you read my gcc 4.7 patch (about the __m64 related error i asked you about a few days ago) ? |
| # 22:03:45 |
braunr |
ok, just read my mail |
| # 22:03:55 |
y_morin |
braunr: have you read my reply? ;-) |
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y_morin |
;-) |
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braunr |
hum, i'm a complete newb with mercurial |
| # 22:04:19 |
braunr |
i thought my patch was inline |
| # 22:04:27 |
braunr |
didn't see about send-email anywhere |
| # 22:04:39 |
braunr |
didn't know about the signed-off by (thought it was git-only) |
| # 22:04:47 |
braunr |
why have you chosen mercurial btw ? |
| # 22:05:42 |
y_morin |
braunr: look in docs/ there's a quick how-to hack crosstool-NG, and how to send patches. |
| # 22:05:54 |
braunr |
ok |
| # 22:06:25 |
y_morin |
braunr: as for mercurial, I'm getting sick of this question. It's coming over again and again. |
| # 22:06:39 |
braunr |
which i can understand |
| # 22:06:55 |
y_morin |
braunr: But here's the answer, yet once more: with Mercurial, I was up-n-running in a litle under 2 hours. |
| # 22:07:12 |
braunr |
ok |
| # 22:07:28 |
braunr |
hides |
| # 22:08:06 |
y_morin |
braunr: if the underlying question was "why not git?", it's been now roughly 4 years, and I am not yet as fluent in git as I am in Mercurial |
| # 22:08:16 |
braunr |
no it wasn't |
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y_morin |
braunr: OK |
| # 22:08:38 |
braunr |
i was really interested in anything specific to mercurial that made you chose it |
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y_morin |
braunr: the previous VCS I used for crosstool-NG was subversion, because I was used to it. |
| # 22:09:18 |
braunr |
yes i remember |
| # 22:09:24 |
y_morin |
braunr: but subversion is not really usefull for doing a decentralised development. |
| # 22:09:51 |
y_morin |
braunr: I was missing a good merge feature, and proper attribution to changes. |
| # 22:10:35 |
y_morin |
braunr: a friend of mine was using Mercurial, he showed me the basics on a whiteboard for ~30 minutes, then I hacked on it for ~2h. |
| # 22:10:42 |
y_morin |
braunr: and then I migrated. |
| # 22:11:18 |
y_morin |
braunr: Mercurial is *very* easy to use (although it is getting a bit more complicated with the latest releases, I find). |
| # 22:11:46 |
y_morin |
braunr: especially since I am the maintainer, I need a tool with which I will not fubar the repository now and then. |
| # 22:12:16 |
braunr |
sure |
| # 22:12:37 |
braunr |
don't feel forced to say all that :) |
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y_morin |
braunr: you asked! ;-) |
| # 22:13:08 |
braunr |
"first thing really decent that i came across" was enough eh |
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y_morin |
braunr: good summary. :-) |
| # 22:14:53 |
braunr |
i've always thought people using something else than git must have some good reason |
| # 22:15:04 |
braunr |
even those still using cvs, although it's hard to imagine |
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smartin |
y_morin: hi, maybe you should add this in the doc in a section entitled "For git afficinados: Why I choose Mercurial, and not git" ;-) |
| # 22:16:15 |
braunr |
(the author of libev is one of them, and considering his code mastery, one can assume he knows what he's doing with his vcs) |
| # 22:17:06 |
Juv1228 |
git is the new guy on the block |
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Juv1228 |
anyone new to the world of scm will likely use it, since its whats cool now |
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y_morin |
smartin: why should I put it in the docs? No one reads the docs! ;-) And I would loose an oportunity for flaming discussions here! :-] |
| # 22:18:07 |
Juv1228 |
oh and i forgot, git is way better than everything else because |
| # 22:18:25 |
braunr |
"Rationale: K&R" |
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y_morin |
Juv1228: git is hardly the "new kid on the block". It's been here for as long as Mercurial (they were developped in parallel), that is since 2005. |
| # 22:19:09 |
Juv1228 |
it has recently taken off tho |
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y_morin |
braunr: lol! :-) |
| # 22:19:16 |
Juv1228 |
github for example |
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dalias |
personally i choose git because it has no dependencies |
| # 22:19:29 |
braunr |
Juv1228 is one such obvious troll in plain sun |
| # 22:19:43 |
Juv1228 |
its whats popular among the 'hip' programming communities |
| # 22:19:47 |
dalias |
you can build and use it anywhere |
| # 22:19:50 |
Juv1228 |
like rails/python etc |
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y_morin |
dalias: what about the C library? ;-) |
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dalias |
you have that anywhere :) |
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Juv1228 |
git on pic? |
| # 22:20:35 |
Juv1228 |
since when |
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braunr |
dalias: i hope for your sanity that you have a decent package manager that can grab any dependency fast and reliably |
| # 22:20:57 |
braunr |
if that's the case, it's not really a valid reason |
| # 22:21:06 |
braunr |
if not, you really need to change your distro :p |
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Juv1228 |
braunr, hes one of those gentoo guys |
| # 22:21:17 |
Juv1228 |
http://funroll-loops.info/ |
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dalias |
braunr, i'm thinking of cases where you want to work with the source under version control on the target device (or an emulated version thereof) |
| # 22:22:08 |
braunr |
dalias: that's one way to show insanity |
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dalias |
:) |
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y_morin |
dalias: well, my git install weights something like ~8MiB. Not really embedded... :-/ |
| # 22:25:22 |
dalias |
depends on your device. these days storage space is rarely as much of a consideration |
| # 22:25:38 |
dalias |
btw my main git binary is ~2mb static linked |
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Juv1228 |
dalias, tell that to the xbox linux community |
| # 22:25:55 |
dalias |
but i'm not clear if some of the other binaries are needed too |
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y_morin |
dalias: what about /usr/lib/git-core/ ? |
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Juv1228 |
we have 256kb of space on nand |
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dalias |
a bunch of hard links to the same file, it seems.. |
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Juv1228 |
not for me |
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dalias |
the binary has 109 for link count |
| # 22:27:43 |
Juv1228 |
some of them are hard links, about half are not |
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dalias |
the ones that aren't seem to be mostly shell scripts |
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dalias |
and perl scripts |
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braunr |
notwithstanding the fact it's been off topic for a while, you're talking about using a VCS on a target device, and fighting over a bunch of scripts and programs that are not that big anyway |
| # 22:30:08 |
braunr |
in addition, dalias mentioned emulated versions, which exist precisely to overcome the natural limits of real devices (more memory, faster processing, etc) |
| # 22:30:12 |
braunr |
so, uh please :) |
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y_morin |
braunr: +1 |
| # 22:30:43 |
braunr |
(well, emulated version also exist not to have real versions in the first place, but considering how obvious it is) |
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dalias |
ok let me explain what i mean. even tho it's obviously slower to work and compile on your device than to cross-compile from a decent machine, it's A LOT faster to type "git pull && make install" in a running virtual machine or on a running device than to build on another machine, transfer the new files to your system image, reboot, etc. |
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dalias |
hope that makes sense |
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braunr |
sure |
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braunr |
but scp only the binary you want is almost always better |
| # 22:34:58 |
braunr |
but if it suits you, why not |
| # 22:35:11 |
braunr |
i'm getting part of this off topic discussion, bad sign |
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dalias |
:) |
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y_morin |
hereby declares this off-topic discusion to be *closed*. ;-) |
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Juv1228 |
y_morin, you should know that never works |
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dalias |
well, it only half-way works |
| # 22:38:06 |
dalias |
now the off-topic discussion will change from version control to discussion of the rules of what's off-topic and whether you can close off-topic discussions ;-) |
| # 22:38:33 |
dalias |
thankfully i find that a lot more boring, so you're on your own :) |
| # 22:38:40 |
y_morin |
OK, one serious question, now: |
| # 22:39:02 |
y_morin |
would you be interested in receiving the commit mesages on this channel? |
| # 22:39:25 |
braunr |
personally no, the mailing list does the job |
| # 22:39:43 |
braunr |
and better because of the way they can be "processed" in batch |
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Juv1228 |
its never a bad thing |
| # 22:40:56 |
Juv1228 |
idk how much work it is with hg tho |
| # 22:41:09 |
dalias |
i like commit messages on irc, but i'm not involved in this project so my opinion doesn't matter on it so much |
| # 22:42:51 |
braunr |
you're on the irc channel, you're involved in this question |
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dalias |
i'm just in here in case crosstool-ng wants to add musl as a libc choice in the future :) |
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y_morin |
dalias: patch! |
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