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mingwandroid |
bhundven: hey |
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mingwandroid |
night all. |
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mingwandroid |
bhundven: ping. |
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bhundven |
hey, sorry |
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mingwandroid |
bhundven: np, I was going to go to bed but figured I'd check on my build first. |
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mingwandroid |
ok, really going this time! |
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bhundven |
:) |
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bhundven |
I'll talk with you later, lets catch up tomorrow morning. |
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mingwandroid |
aye! |
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mingwandroid |
bhundven: ping |
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bhundven |
mingwandroid: hey |
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mingwandroid |
bhundven: hey |
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mingwandroid |
bhundven: last night I had a crack at finishing GNU make 3.81 'stuff'. |
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mingwandroid |
i.e. if detect you don't have that exact version then build it as a companion tool. |
| # 10:12:50 |
mingwandroid |
bhundven: can you eyeball the patch please? http://paste.kde.org/pmv4o9rzb |
| # 10:13:43 |
mingwandroid |
urgh, better: http://paste.kde.org/plgjzpe4k |
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bhundven |
well |
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bhundven |
one problem is |
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bhundven |
"GNU Make 3.81" |
| # 10:16:23 |
bhundven |
you can change the version string |
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bhundven |
(some distro's do) |
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bhundven |
I would just check the substring for 3.81 |
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bhundven |
some sources that are older won't handle 3.82 |
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bhundven |
but newer sources will be able to handle it |
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bhundven |
most current source can't handle 4.0 |
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bhundven |
but I'll assume that they will in the future |
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bhundven |
with that, I would suggest |
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mingwandroid |
I'm piggybacking the existing check for: |
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mingwandroid |
[[MAKE_ver=$($ac_path_MAKE --version 2>&1 \ |
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mingwandroid |
|$EGREP '^GNU Make (3.[89][[:digit:]]|[4-9])') |
| # 10:19:27 |
bhundven |
btw, that makes me happy: http://crosstool-ng.org/hg/crosstool-ng/rev/bddc642fc8eb |
| # 10:20:02 |
bhundven |
fixes some static toolchain issues |
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mingwandroid |
Yeah, I forgot about that one until I saw the email! |
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bhundven |
or, should, I need to test more |
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bhundven |
there was some problems with ppc and target binutils |
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mingwandroid |
FWIW, I've only found so far that {e}glibc don't like gnumake 4. But Yann wanted "trusty 3.81" to avoid weird issues (target order is randomised in 4.0!) |
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bhundven |
sure. |
| # 10:21:54 |
bhundven |
I think what I'm saying is |
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bhundven |
tools should require make or greater or less then |
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bhundven |
instead of forcing a version |
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bhundven |
s/require/depend on/ |
| # 10:23:42 |
bhundven |
so usually what yann tells me is, make an intermediate/hidden kconfig option |
| # 10:23:53 |
bhundven |
that tools depend on |
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mingwandroid |
yeah, is mine not hidden btw? |
| # 10:24:31 |
bhundven |
no, it is |
| # 10:25:23 |
bhundven |
I'm just bad at explaining |
| # 10:25:39 |
mingwandroid |
thing is it's not just tools that depend on gnumake 3.81, in fact not even tools. It's anything we build, the thing that goes wrong beling libc builds .. |
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bhundven |
for now |
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mingwandroid |
.. you could see it as a min-max of all the acceptable ranges for every tool and library you build, but that might just be overkill for the sake of it? |
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bhundven |
not every tool will have that requirement |
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bhundven |
to depend on a version of make |
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bhundven |
libc is probably more prone to different versions |
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bhundven |
and for now |
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bhundven |
yes, depending on make 3.81 is right |
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bhundven |
but eventually, libc will work with 4.0 |
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mingwandroid |
it'll also work with 3.81 (until it doesn't) |
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bhundven |
I'm just saying that versions up until then, depend on that option |
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bhundven |
so that it's not forced unless a tool depends on it. |
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bhundven |
that's all |
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bhundven |
otherwise, looks good to me! |
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bhundven |
PST: 2:28am... |
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bhundven |
is looking for bed |
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mingwandroid |
yeah, I get what you are saying. I guess I think that I managed to do it with few lines added, and Yann just wanted trusty 3.81 .. |
| # 10:29:07 |
mingwandroid |
you mind if I add it to our queue? |
| # 10:29:24 |
bhundven |
sure! |
| # 10:29:25 |
mingwandroid |
there's another patch to make tools not depend on experimental, that's simple |
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bhundven |
:) |
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bhundven |
that would be great too |
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mingwandroid |
ok great. |
| # 10:29:45 |
bhundven |
there are a lot of things experimental |
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bhundven |
that don't need to be |
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mingwandroid |
yeah. |
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bhundven |
they were just new at the time we did it |
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bhundven |
I usually just enable experimental and ctng debugging |
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bhundven |
by default |
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bhundven |
but, I'm not a 'normal user' |
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bhundven |
;) |
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mingwandroid |
I added an option to build the compilers as debuggable btw .. |
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bhundven |
nice! |
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mingwandroid |
so with "-O0 -ggdb" and unstripped. |
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bhundven |
now I can do something with those ICE errors I find |
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mingwandroid |
I will try to get that submitted to the ML. |
| # 10:31:56 |
mingwandroid |
I think I'll start posting random bits and pieces like that to it soon. |
| # 10:32:10 |
bhundven |
I want to branch out the wip repo |
| # 10:32:22 |
mingwandroid |
you waiting for git ;-) |
| # 10:32:47 |
mingwandroid |
thing is, looks like MQs are quite cheap on the server, so setup a load of different ones on bitbucket for now? |
| # 10:33:09 |
bhundven |
yea |
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mingwandroid |
so wip -> multilib, new-versions, gnumake-381, etc. |
| # 10:33:21 |
bhundven |
maybe that's better then this stupid hg bookmark crap |
| # 10:33:37 |
bhundven |
not a real branch |
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mingwandroid |
is it just a lot of different "series" files or somesuch? |
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bhundven |
I never noticed that, kinda funny how one feature makes me dislike a whole version control system |
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bhundven |
mingwandroid: kinda |
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mingwandroid |
heh. well, branching needs to be cheap and fast these days as we've all got attention deficit disorder. |
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bhundven |
:) |
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bhundven |
oo, look, shinny! |
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bhundven |
mq is nice for wip |
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bhundven |
I just need to stop my dependency on it |
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mingwandroid |
mq fits my mental model quite well for a single set of patches yeah. |
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bhundven |
s/dependency/addiction/ |
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bhundven |
:) |
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bhundven |
the work flow for branching, commiting and pushing makes much more sense to me. |
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bhundven |
on the other side, reviewing and merging. |
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bhundven |
patchworks really takes that pain out too |
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mingwandroid |
yeah, mq sort-of allows for rebase-like operations after having pushed .. |
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mingwandroid |
whereas you shouldn't do that with git of course |
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bhundven |
anyways, it'd be nice to have the updates separate from the mq stuff, and push that soon to yann before he cuts the next release |
| # 10:39:29 |
bhundven |
he doesn't want the ml stuff till it's ready |
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mingwandroid |
yeah, I'd like GNU make 3.81 in there for now. |
| # 10:40:00 |
mingwandroid |
we'll see. |
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bhundven |
kernel updates |
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mingwandroid |
how about GCC 4.9 snapshots? |
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mingwandroid |
I'd be very keen on seeing them land. |
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bhundven |
config-sub-config-guess update |
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bhundven |
nah, if you want snapshots, you can either use the custom tarball/directory or do what I did. |
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bhundven |
yann won't add that |
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mingwandroid |
"do what I did."? |
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bhundven |
yea, add it yourself in your patch queue so you can play with snapshots while you test new features (to see if they will work with the next version) |
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mingwandroid |
ok |
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bhundven |
sooner or later, preferably sooner |
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bhundven |
I'd like to get into this refactoring stuff |
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bhundven |
and clean up a bunch of annoying crap |
| # 10:42:51 |
bhundven |
one being how versions and sources are collected |
| # 10:43:01 |
bhundven |
getting a tarball |
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bhundven |
and checking out a git tree at a tag is the same thing |
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mingwandroid |
they should be stamped with revision of sha1 I think. |
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mingwandroid |
s/of/or/ |
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bhundven |
well any reference |
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bhundven |
branch |
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bhundven |
tag |
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bhundven |
revision |
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bhundven |
branch + revision |
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bhundven |
ref-spec |
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