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# 18:37:10 bhundven hello, y_morin!
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# 18:58:55 y_morin bhundven: Howdy! :-)
# 18:59:45 bhundven y_morin: do you have a link to that email on the buildroot mailing list about uclibc being deprecated?
# 19:00:27 y_morin bhundven: It is not deprepcated. WE're thinking of making it not the default any more.
# 19:00:35 y_morin bhundven: But I can dig it for you, yes...
# 19:00:36 bhundven right, well, that one
# 19:00:57 bhundven changes his wording...
# 19:01:46 y_morin bhundven: The report of the last developers day, where we discussed the issue: http://elinux.org/Buildroot:DeveloperDaysFOSDEM2014#How_to_handle_the_uClibc_problem
# 19:02:03 y_morin bhundven: I'll dig up the mail if I can find it...
# 19:02:12 bhundven y_morin: that works, don't worry!
# 19:02:33 bhundven y_morin: I just wanted something to reference the lack of maintenance going into uClibc.
# 19:02:44 bhundven (in response to an issue on the crossgcc ml
# 19:02:46 bhundven )
# 19:04:09 y_morin bhundven: And the mail: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2014-February/089789.html
# 19:04:25 y_morin bhundven: Yes, I need to look at the crossgcc list tonight.
# 19:04:28 bhundven y_morin: yup, that's the one!
# 19:04:44 bhundven y_morin: there is also a g+ community :)
# 19:04:54 y_morin bhundven: A what community? :-p
# 19:05:03 bhundven https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/107418837548348862178
# 19:05:13 y_morin bhundven: Yes, I know! ;-)
# 19:05:16 bhundven lol
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# 19:08:15 y_morin Sigh.. I have the sun shining on my screen, just in the corner of my eye, and no curtain or shutters... :-/
# 19:08:52 bhundven maybe it's a sign... the sun is calling you.
# 19:09:03 bhundven :D
# 19:09:12 y_morin I can see every speck of dust stuck on the screen, and it is really disturbing...
# 19:09:35 y_morin bhundven: Surely no! :-)
# 19:11:32 y_morin Ah, yes, the guy with a very old kernel...
# 19:11:59 bhundven :)
# 19:12:12 bhundven uClibc... nothing to see here... move on.
# 19:13:08 bhundven I'm finally getting around to learning about CI, so hopefully soon I'll have some build test automation going up, wrt crosstool-ng
# 19:14:24 y_morin bhundven: Jenkins?
# 19:14:48 bhundven y_morin: not sure yet. I'm learning jenkins for work, but not sure what I'm going to go with for ctng
# 19:15:14 bhundven there are a few online services that do it, so we don't need a host to purchase to run it.
# 19:15:41 bhundven travis-ci.org looks good
# 19:16:39 bhundven but I'm building some qemu images (https://github.com/bhundven/packer-images/) to run "make check" against.
# 19:17:00 bhundven and run gcc test suite against
# 19:17:14 bhundven but I have to fix a bug in packer first... :sigh:
# 19:17:44 bhundven https://github.com/mitchellh/packer/issues/1208
# 19:18:59 bhundven y_morin: haha (2.6.9 headers...)
# 19:19:03 y_morin bhundven: I have to admit I don;t know much about this CI stuff...
# 19:19:15 y_morin bhundven: Yeah, definitely out-dated... :-(
# 19:19:40 y_morin bhundven: I usually tend to reply not to mix components of so different eras, but I forgot that time...
# 19:19:58 bhundven y_morin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration#Principles
# 19:20:46 y_morin bhundven: Yes, I know the principles, but have never done it so far.
# 19:21:18 bhundven yea, I'll be the one to find out how much of a pita it will be for ctng ;)
# 19:21:41 y_morin bhundven: Well, CI is about building known configurations over and over again, so we have the samples for that.
# 19:22:02 bhundven yes, but after making a change to the code, do you know the samples work?
# 19:22:19 bhundven I know a few of them right now that are broken
# 19:22:31 y_morin bhundven: However, Buildroot is doing randomised builds to detect missing dependencies, or incorrect combinations (eg. shared vs. static...)
# 19:22:39 bhundven right
# 19:22:54 y_morin bhundven: No, but that's the point of CI, no? Make sure every known config still work after a commit?
# 19:22:54 bhundven that would be a good idea, as well
# 19:23:02 bhundven y_morin: correct
# 19:23:19 bhundven y_morin: that's what I'm currently investigating
# 19:23:32 y_morin bhundven: CI or random builds?
# 19:23:42 bhundven y_morin: both would be optimal
# 19:23:42 y_morin s/CI/samples
# 19:24:13 bhundven y_morin: CI for now. Not sure what/how to do random builds.
# 19:24:25 bhundven y_morin: but it's now on my list
# 19:24:33 y_morin bhundven: Yes, CI is a good start. Thanks for working on this! :-)
# 19:25:10 y_morin bhundven: As for random: we can look at what is done in Buildroot. I can ask kos_tom and Jacmet to provide their scripts as samples.
# 19:25:24 bhundven y_morin: great!
# 19:25:44 y_morin bhundven: The website showing the results is already available: http://git.busybox.net/buildroot-test
# 19:26:04 bhundven y_morin: yup. I get the emails. (all of them... :( )
# 19:26:21 y_morin bhundven: Well, that the source of the website.
# 19:26:27 bhundven y_morin: I just switched to digest on the ml
# 19:26:29 y_morin Hehe! :-)
# 19:26:50 bhundven ~200 sometimes ~400 a day...
# 19:27:13 bhundven my phone has much better power these days after switching to digest
# 19:27:24 y_morin bhundven: Lol! :-)
# 19:27:40 y_morin bhundven: But who uses his phone as main mail client nowadays? Wait... :-)
# 19:27:53 bhundven lol
# 19:28:10 bhundven still can't send with gmail as plaintext
# 19:28:15 bhundven so much for technology...
# 19:28:26 bhundven on the phone that is
# 19:29:02 y_morin bhundven: Install K9.
# 19:29:10 y_morin (on Android)
# 19:30:38 bhundven still wish I could get a mail client on android that does gpg/pgp
# 19:30:55 bhundven and gmail is such a pain on imap, imo
# 19:31:03 bhundven I get a lot of email
# 19:31:36 y_morin bhundven: K9 does gpg/pgp with apg, IIRC
# 19:31:59 bhundven y_morin: hrm, I'll look into this tonight! Thanks!
# 19:32:12 y_morin Cheers!
# 19:57:20 y_morin bhundven: Grmbll... G+ just ditched that invitation to the community... :-/
# 19:59:01 y_morin Ah, got it...
# 19:59:18 y_morin really think G+ GUI would need some revamp...
# 20:08:02 bhundven y_morin: the other thing that sucks about g+, is that I can't just promote you to owner
# 20:08:18 bhundven I have to promote you to moderator, and then after two weeks, I can promote you to owner
# 20:08:22 bhundven dumb
# 20:08:44 y_morin bhundven: Or you can just not promote me at all! :-p
# 20:08:49 bhundven hehe
# 20:09:15 ovf i don't usually go to social network websites, most often i end up on an individual posts linked from elsewhere. so this last time i was looking at someone's page, and was thinking "my, facebook is sure horrible with all this boxes timeline layout". and then i realised i'm looking at google+. absolutely no difference.
# 20:10:07 bhundven ovf: :)
# 20:10:12 bhundven I agree
# 20:10:21 bhundven but I don't use facebook at all
# 20:10:27 bhundven so I don't really know the difference
# 20:12:11 y_morin ovf, bhundven: I seldom do G+ stuff. I'm only using it for mundane stuff, and have a quick laugh when I'm in need for lolcats...
# 20:13:29 y_morin Sometimes, there's a post really interresting (eg. the square-signal decomposition in sine waves) worth something. mostly science stuff...
# 20:13:49 bhundven y_morin: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+memebinge/posts :)
# 20:15:17 ovf y_morin: these posts are usually linked to from hn or other link aggregators, so i get to use them, while still having the benefit of not using the horrible interfaces or having g+/fb accounts
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# 20:49:02 y_morin bhundven: I hate you! (memebinge) :-)
# 20:49:13 bhundven hahaha
# 20:49:38 bhundven yea, I wasted some time there, and then remembered I have work to do.
# 20:50:13 y_morin bhundven: Yeah... :-)
# 20:50:22 bhundven I also have a meetup to go to
# 20:50:32 y_morin bhundven: See ya!
# 20:50:54 bhundven it's only 1:50pm, it starts at 6:30pm (PST)
# 20:51:00 y_morin Ah!
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# 20:51:43 bhundven I'm trying to hustle through Jenkins setup, and discussing with my boss about how deployments will work
# 20:51:56 bhundven I hate operations
# 20:52:10 y_morin bhundven: devops? Na.... :-(
# 20:52:16 bhundven maybe free-electrons will hire me so I can get back to embedded stuff
# 20:52:20 bhundven :D
# 20:52:30 y_morin Hey!
# 20:52:57 bhundven nudges kos_tom...
# 20:53:06 bhundven ;-)
# 20:53:32 bhundven I tried linaro, but they wanted someone with more maintainer experience
# 20:53:44 bhundven all my work has been on proprietary projects
# 20:53:58 bhundven that I led... :-/
# 20:54:26 bhundven (restricted by business rules, or I'd have opensourced stuff)
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# 20:55:19 bhundven my android porting work is a crappy example of my work, so I hate showing prospective employer's my github
# 20:58:39 y_morin I don't even do Android... Java, no thinaks! :-)
# 20:58:44 y_morin *thanks
# 20:59:15 bhundven haha, I mostly do kernel stuff in the developer groups I work in: http://teamacid.co
# 20:59:42 bhundven and I'm starting to learn java, but I hate it
# 21:00:04 bhundven I guess you can write java apps in Scala or Clojure, so in case you have java...
# 21:00:10 bhundven *android apps*
# 21:00:43 y_morin Hehe...
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